'A reasonable conclusion' that proceeding with a candidate who lost popular vote in '16 and '20 and violated laws before, during and after holding office ~ GOP says "all in". 🙈
First off, everything in Australia will kill you. People seem to be okay with this. I remember visiting a friend in 2008 (the only time I've been to Australia). He was like, "yeah, we get dangerous spiders in the house, but the cats usually kill them, so you'll be fine..." *L*
IIRC, Irwin was filming a kids' show at the time of his death. The creature he was handling was known to be poisonous, but had only killed one other person in the 50 years prior, so, virtually harmless by Australian standards. Unfortunately, the thing managed to get a barb in right under Irwin's ribcage, delivering poison right to his heart. Very unexpected, especially with somebody who regularly handled much, much more dangerous creatures regularly. For this reason, I don't think his case rises to the level of stupid that the other two do.
Four overall observations (my first thought for parachute incident was to say doing the same thing and expecting a different result, but I think overconfidence and lack of risk assessment is a better explanation):
1. Overconfidence can be fatal
2. Things can or will go seriously wrong even if you are an expert or highly experienced
3. Most of us are not good with the risk assessment. Prepare for the unexpected.
4. No risk, no gain. Sometimes, the risk will lead to significant improvements/gains(may not be to the person who took the risk but to the society)
Oh yes! He was on a sinking ship in WWII as a 17-year-old sailor, a doctor in Indonesia during "the year of living dangerously". Planted a field of sweet potatoes to earn the money to buy my MIL an engagement ring... imagine.
I love it. My own grandfather was born in 1919, and he used to tell me stories about the Great Depression and the era of extreme scarcity leading up to the start of WWII. He was orphaned by his family because he was one of too many mouths to feed! I only wish I could have had more time to listen.
Wow! I recently lost my mom, (lost Dad the year before). I was very close to them and thought I knew all their stories. It's maddening how often I want to ask them about stuff now. Sigh. Never enough time.
Let me know if you ever wanna take a run at writing down one or two of these good ones. Maybe we can do something together one day about remembering those lost generations (before we ourselves lose those memories).
I think they're all unique. Hoy was the captain of the SS Dummy. Franz at least advanced parachute technology a tiny bit, so better than nothing... but almost nothing. Irwin succeeded in creating a new generation of environmentalists and conservationists, so props to him for sure.
I think Steve Irwin's confidence in handling crocodiles and snakes was well earned and came from years of experience. At least that's what I always assumed.
With the stingray, he just happened to be out of his depth. (Pun very much intended.) And also exceedingly unlucky. From what I recall, it was more a freak accident and less a response to something Irwin did.
As for Franz, I bet he would've been quite embarrassed in front of the interns. If he wasn't dead, that is.
I guess what would make it decidedly ironic is if, in the last moments before his death, he'd point at the stingray and say "Unlike crocodiles, these guys are completely harmless. Watch!"
There's no record of whether that's what happened, so we must assume that's exactly how it went.
Didn't know about Garry Hoy. Thought it was fiction when I read it, until I realized it wasn't. That's an awful way to die, to prove what's ultimately a stupid point.
Not off the top of my head. Not as dumb as that. Closest I came was the assassination of Shinzo Abe for some affiliation he didn't even have, but that was more tragic than it is was dumb.
Haha this reminds me of people who want to hike mt. Everest- I’m good. Why risk it- I’ve jumped out of planes and I am all for a good rush- but the odds of me surviving jumping out of a plane are actually very high and climbing mt. Everest. Not so much. I’ll pass.
Even with these three tails- I still identify a bit more with the first guys thinking. Is it possible sure, but is it probable? It’s unclear if doing that was probable but he learned the hard way it was possible.
I think the thing to do is to consider the risk and reward ratio. If "you might die" is part of the "risk" side of the equation, you should very carefully consider whether the "reward" side makes up for that potential risk, even if it's tiny. EG, jiu jitsu has some inherent risk, but the reward is far greater. I'm not sure what the reward was for Garry as he sprinted at that window. Impressing one of the prospects so he could get in their pants? One can only imagine.
He probably thought the glass would hold... I mean... we do some weird stuff to get it on- so I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the reason.
I think I mostly related because I’d could see myself trying to reassure someone something was safe and then having the universe take a piss on me instead and falling to my death. lol
The funny thing is: we can all relate! I like to point to how dumb stuff like this was, but we're all susceptible to this kind of impulse. We have to be careful.
Murphy's law is stated as: "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong." or even the extended version "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong, and at the worst possible time."
I think it's a super useful thing to keep in mind. If you're prepared for the worst but hope for the best, as the saying goes, you're receptive to the risk paying off, but at the same time, you don't necessarily expect it to work.
'A reasonable conclusion' that proceeding with a candidate who lost popular vote in '16 and '20 and violated laws before, during and after holding office ~ GOP says "all in". 🙈
First off, everything in Australia will kill you. People seem to be okay with this. I remember visiting a friend in 2008 (the only time I've been to Australia). He was like, "yeah, we get dangerous spiders in the house, but the cats usually kill them, so you'll be fine..." *L*
IIRC, Irwin was filming a kids' show at the time of his death. The creature he was handling was known to be poisonous, but had only killed one other person in the 50 years prior, so, virtually harmless by Australian standards. Unfortunately, the thing managed to get a barb in right under Irwin's ribcage, delivering poison right to his heart. Very unexpected, especially with somebody who regularly handled much, much more dangerous creatures regularly. For this reason, I don't think his case rises to the level of stupid that the other two do.
I agree! Irwin did some pretty audacious things, but this wasn't really one of them.
"Virtually Harmless by Australian Standards" would be an amazing article title.
Four overall observations (my first thought for parachute incident was to say doing the same thing and expecting a different result, but I think overconfidence and lack of risk assessment is a better explanation):
1. Overconfidence can be fatal
2. Things can or will go seriously wrong even if you are an expert or highly experienced
3. Most of us are not good with the risk assessment. Prepare for the unexpected.
4. No risk, no gain. Sometimes, the risk will lead to significant improvements/gains(may not be to the person who took the risk but to the society)
Well said.
My father-in-law (currently 97 years old) says the first thing he learned in surgery class was to never say "oops."
Ha! 97 is an incredible age. He must have some fantastic stories!
Oh yes! He was on a sinking ship in WWII as a 17-year-old sailor, a doctor in Indonesia during "the year of living dangerously". Planted a field of sweet potatoes to earn the money to buy my MIL an engagement ring... imagine.
I love it. My own grandfather was born in 1919, and he used to tell me stories about the Great Depression and the era of extreme scarcity leading up to the start of WWII. He was orphaned by his family because he was one of too many mouths to feed! I only wish I could have had more time to listen.
Wow! I recently lost my mom, (lost Dad the year before). I was very close to them and thought I knew all their stories. It's maddening how often I want to ask them about stuff now. Sigh. Never enough time.
Let me know if you ever wanna take a run at writing down one or two of these good ones. Maybe we can do something together one day about remembering those lost generations (before we ourselves lose those memories).
I'd be 100% open to that, just need to narrow it down to a theme/topic or some such approach. Let's give it some thought.
Irwin seems the outlier in this set. But the other two proudly staked their claims atop of mount stupid.
I think they're all unique. Hoy was the captain of the SS Dummy. Franz at least advanced parachute technology a tiny bit, so better than nothing... but almost nothing. Irwin succeeded in creating a new generation of environmentalists and conservationists, so props to him for sure.
I think Steve Irwin's confidence in handling crocodiles and snakes was well earned and came from years of experience. At least that's what I always assumed.
With the stingray, he just happened to be out of his depth. (Pun very much intended.) And also exceedingly unlucky. From what I recall, it was more a freak accident and less a response to something Irwin did.
As for Franz, I bet he would've been quite embarrassed in front of the interns. If he wasn't dead, that is.
I think you're right about Irwin. It seems more ironic that it really is.
Isn't it mildly ironic? Don't you kind of think?
I guess what would make it decidedly ironic is if, in the last moments before his death, he'd point at the stingray and say "Unlike crocodiles, these guys are completely harmless. Watch!"
There's no record of whether that's what happened, so we must assume that's exactly how it went.
It's no rain on your wedding day. Try harder.
I love how the fact that none of the examples in "Ironic" are actually irony is what makes the song ironic.
And Alanis even said that it was intentional, though I'm not so sure anymore.
It ain't a clearcut hamster/human joke, that's for certain!
I would say the same thing if I was in her shoes.
Didn't know about Garry Hoy. Thought it was fiction when I read it, until I realized it wasn't. That's an awful way to die, to prove what's ultimately a stupid point.
Have you heard of any ways to die that seem even dumber?
Not off the top of my head. Not as dumb as that. Closest I came was the assassination of Shinzo Abe for some affiliation he didn't even have, but that was more tragic than it is was dumb.
I think that could go into the same category as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand that kicked off WWI. It just wasn't very well thought through.
Haha this reminds me of people who want to hike mt. Everest- I’m good. Why risk it- I’ve jumped out of planes and I am all for a good rush- but the odds of me surviving jumping out of a plane are actually very high and climbing mt. Everest. Not so much. I’ll pass.
Even with these three tails- I still identify a bit more with the first guys thinking. Is it possible sure, but is it probable? It’s unclear if doing that was probable but he learned the hard way it was possible.
I think the thing to do is to consider the risk and reward ratio. If "you might die" is part of the "risk" side of the equation, you should very carefully consider whether the "reward" side makes up for that potential risk, even if it's tiny. EG, jiu jitsu has some inherent risk, but the reward is far greater. I'm not sure what the reward was for Garry as he sprinted at that window. Impressing one of the prospects so he could get in their pants? One can only imagine.
He probably thought the glass would hold... I mean... we do some weird stuff to get it on- so I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the reason.
I think I mostly related because I’d could see myself trying to reassure someone something was safe and then having the universe take a piss on me instead and falling to my death. lol
The funny thing is: we can all relate! I like to point to how dumb stuff like this was, but we're all susceptible to this kind of impulse. We have to be careful.
A harder lesson for some than others lol… me, me being the some hahaha. This was a fun topic. Thanks Andrew!
Well done! Oops, indeed
Can we even apply Murphy’s law to these cases?
Murphy's law is stated as: "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong." or even the extended version "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong, and at the worst possible time."
I think it's a super useful thing to keep in mind. If you're prepared for the worst but hope for the best, as the saying goes, you're receptive to the risk paying off, but at the same time, you don't necessarily expect it to work.
*tales